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Comment author: ahartell 23 October 2011 05:31:05AM 10 points [-]

If those were the only necessary conditions for a Love Shield, certainly Harry wouldn't have been the only person ever to survive the killing curse.

Comment author: atucker 23 October 2011 07:08:00AM *  4 points [-]

If those were the only necessary conditions for a Love Shield, certainly Harry wouldn't have been the only person ever to survive the killing curse.

Yeah. That's why I'm confused.

If there were other conditions, I don't remember them. Maybe something to do with not fighting back? Though IIRC, Harry's death in the Battle of Hogwarts buys Love Shield for all of the students.

I don't think it was supposed to be related to the prophecy, and it seems like the situation of parents dying for their children happens ever.

If anyone remembers other details, feel free to correct me.

Comment author: Randaly 23 October 2011 07:47:53AM *  10 points [-]

In canon, the love shield requires more than just not fighting back- the person who dies needs to have a choice between death and life, and to intend to die. (When Harry died in the Battle of Hogwarts, he didn't fight back, made the choice to die earlier, and willingly went to his death.) The love shield only applied to Harry because Lily was explicitly given the choice to step aside and live, and chose not to take it; James' death didn't create a love shield around Lily because Voldemort never gave him the option to live, and so James wasn't able to explicitly choose death.

While canon doesn't really show this, I doubt many other dark lords would have given their victims' defenders a choice between life and death. (Also, IIRC, at the end of canon, the Love Shield still wasn't widely known.)

Comment author: taelor 24 October 2011 07:10:48PM 6 points [-]

PS. If the Love Shield does exist in MoR, do you suppose Bellatrix could cast it?

If Love Shields really do work the way Randaly describes, then I think the odds of one being used to protect a Dark Wizard are at least as high as one being to protect someone from him. Scenario: Dark Wizard and Obsessed Minion (e.g. Voldemort and Bella) are cornered by Aurors, who explicitly state that anyone who surrenders will be taken alive, only for the Minion to willfully choose to take a lethal curse for her master.

Comment author: Teal_Thanatos 23 October 2011 10:50:24PM 1 point [-]

That's something i don't quite understand. As an evil dark lord, I'd be willing to be cruel and pretend people have a choice. 'Stand aside and I will spare your life' then... Bam. Dead anyway.

Comment author: Logos01 24 October 2011 03:31:09PM *  2 points [-]

I'd be willing to be cruel and pretend people have a choice. 'Stand aside and I will spare your life' then... Bam. Dead anyway.

Day 1: "Hi old chum! How's the weather? That brat kid of yours?"

Day 2: "Hi old chum! How's the weather? That brat kid of yours?"

Day 3: "Hi, old chum! How's the weather? Thabrakedevra!"

... lather, rinse, repeat.

Comment author: pedanterrific 23 October 2011 10:59:46PM 1 point [-]

So even if the Love Shield exists in MoRverse, Harry doesn't have it.

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