pedanterrific comments on Better Disagreement - Less Wrong

70 Post author: lukeprog 24 October 2011 09:13PM

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Comment author: shminux 24 October 2011 04:29:11PM *  1 point [-]

Even DH7 presumes that the argument is wrong to begin with, which is not overly rational.

How about:

DH8, Clarifying When the Central Point is Indeed Valid. E.g. "A model of a supernatural entity as an ancestral simulator can be derived from the Simulation Argument framework. The validity of this framework and its approach to the question of Origin is now examined..."

or even

DH9, Update Your Model Based on Opposing Views. E.g. Given the <opposing argument>, which appears to be valid provided the <following conditions> hold, I have updated my priors to account for the Universe as described by <opponent>. The next order of business is to jointly examine our priors and come up with a more reliable model.

Comment author: pedanterrific 24 October 2011 04:38:27PM *  4 points [-]

("DH" stands for disagreement hierarchy.)

Comment author: JoshuaZ 24 October 2011 04:41:20PM 2 points [-]

That doesn't seem to diminish shminux's point. The highest level of disagreement should be when one no longer has a disagreement. That should be the goal.

Comment author: pedanterrific 24 October 2011 04:46:21PM *  1 point [-]

I understand the basic idea, AAT and all that. I'm just saying that if I set out to describe and rank the ways in which people express disagreement, "I agree" wouldn't be on the list.

Edit: That is, it's not that DH7 assumes the argument is wrong, just that you disagree with it. As long as you disagree, it's generally "better" - less logically rude - to use higher levels of the hierarchy than lower. If you find that you can't, then it might be time to update towards your opponent.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 24 October 2011 04:48:49PM 5 points [-]

So maybe rename it a dialogue hierarchy?