JoshuaZ comments on Better Disagreement - Less Wrong

70 Post author: lukeprog 24 October 2011 09:13PM

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Comment author: shminux 24 October 2011 04:29:11PM *  1 point [-]

Even DH7 presumes that the argument is wrong to begin with, which is not overly rational.

How about:

DH8, Clarifying When the Central Point is Indeed Valid. E.g. "A model of a supernatural entity as an ancestral simulator can be derived from the Simulation Argument framework. The validity of this framework and its approach to the question of Origin is now examined..."

or even

DH9, Update Your Model Based on Opposing Views. E.g. Given the <opposing argument>, which appears to be valid provided the <following conditions> hold, I have updated my priors to account for the Universe as described by <opponent>. The next order of business is to jointly examine our priors and come up with a more reliable model.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 24 October 2011 05:01:29PM 6 points [-]

One problem with your proposed DH8 and DH9 is that sometimes they just aren't possible. Sometimes people are just wrong and no update is necessary. The rest of the hierarchy is always possible regardless of the strength of the argument. DH8/9 not so much.

Comment author: shminux 24 October 2011 05:15:17PM 4 points [-]

As I mentioned, unless your opponent is stupid or trolling, in which case any level of engagement is probably wrong, there is a high chance that there is something to their claims, limited in applicability though they might end up being, so DH8/9 (and maybe higher?) are worth at least considering.