shminux comments on Let Your Workers Gather Food - Less Wrong

22 Post author: D_Malik 24 October 2011 07:51PM

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Comment author: shminux 24 October 2011 08:37:09PM 29 points [-]

...They could just sit and go into a thought trance, coming up with a brilliant new insight in seconds... [more fantasies snipped]

Just to match your awesome map to our mundane territory... So, how come no one we know has gone FOOM in the sense you describe yet? Not even any of the top 3 or 4 contributors to this site, let alone "any average LWer who committed themselves to this, and only this, for a year."

The territory rarely lies, so something must be wrong with your map.

Comment author: D_Malik 25 October 2011 12:38:50PM *  1 point [-]

Upon further thought I've decided I don't actually believe that. You're right.

I do think that's possible, but it would take more time. 10 years seems reasonable.

I don't think anyone has foomed yet because nobody has "committed themselves to this, and only this". I don't see people committed as completely to improving themselves as, say, the successful Sokushinbutsu were to mummifying themselves, or self-immolators were to burning alive.

From the page on Sokushinbutsu:

For 1,000 days (a little less than three years) the priests would eat a special diet consisting only of nuts and seeds, while taking part in a regimen of rigorous physical activity that stripped them of their body fat. They then ate only bark and roots for another thousand days and began drinking a poisonous tea made from the sap of the Urushi tree, normally used to lacquer bowls.

This caused vomiting and a rapid loss of bodily fluids, and most importantly, it made the body too poisonous to be eaten by maggots. Finally, a self-mummifying monk would lock himself in a stone tomb barely larger than his body, where he would not move from the lotus position. His only connection to the outside world was an air tube and a bell.

Each day he rang a bell to let those outside know that he was still alive. When the bell stopped ringing, the tube was removed and the tomb sealed. After the tomb was sealed, the other monks in the temple would wait another 1,000 days, and open the tomb to see if the mummification was successful.

Comment author: shminux 26 October 2011 04:08:35PM 14 points [-]

I do think that's possible, but it would take more time. 10 years seems reasonable.

What is your justification for this number, other than "too long to test it" or "anything can happen in 10 years"? It seems just as arbitrary as the previous one.

I don't think anyone has foomed yet because nobody has "committed themselves to this, and only this".

Both statements point toward the No true Scotsman fallacy. Your test of "committed themselves to this, and only this" is not a useful one, unless you are willing to clarify it. Does "only this" exclude drinking water? eating? talking to other people? writing LW posts? It is way too easy to move the goalposts to retain your vague assertion.