Logos01 comments on Introduction: "Acrohumanity" - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lavalamp 26 October 2011 03:55:47AM 0 points [-]

Could you elaborate on why you believe this to be the case?

Have you read the fun theory sequence? If you have and think it isn't relevant, then I misunderstand your point here to a greater degree than I thought. If you haven't read it then go read it.

I wrote a great deal more in providing a definition of the term than just those two sentences. About a third of the effort invested in the article was in fleshing out that definition.

From the next paragraph: "I intentionally refrain from defining what form that optimization takes..."

But one must always start somewhere, when introducing a new term. So if it was your goal to introduce the term, how would you start it?

I still don't understand what you're trying to say, so I can't really answer this.

Comment author: Logos01 26 October 2011 04:08:42AM 1 point [-]

Have you read the fun theory sequence? If you have and think it isn't relevant, then I misunderstand your point here to a greater degree than I thought. If you haven't read it then go read it.

I haven't read it deeply. I was hoping to get insight as to how you feel it should "interact". It is entirely plausible that I may incorporate elements of said sequence into the body of lore of acrohumanism. I will note that from what I myself have seen, there is a categorical difference between "being free to optimize" and having optimization itself as a higher-order goal. (Part of this is possibly resultant from my having a low value on hedonism in general, which seems to be a primary focus of the Fun Theory sequence. I would even go so far as to state that my idea of acrohumanism would have anti-hedonistic results: it takes as a given the notion that one should never be satisfied with where he currently is on his personal optimization track; that he should be permanently dissatisfied.)

From the next paragraph: "I intentionally refrain from defining what form that optimization takes..."

Indeed. But I also gave several examples of what I meant by the term, and I associated it with other specific notions: transhumanism / posthumanism -- from these contextually my meaning should be obvious enough.

This is a point, however, I freely recognize I am currently weak on. I do not -- morally cannot -- assert that I am fit to determine what universally optimal would be for all persons. But I do not believe that optimization itself -- augmentation of the self to within whatever tolerance-limits our biological frailties limit us -- is an impossible topic.

I still don't understand what you're trying to say, so I can't really answer this.

Fair enough. Are there any specific points you believe I could clarify?