Lumifer comments on Disability Culture Meets the Transhumanist Condition - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 16 September 2015 04:22:35PM *  1 point [-]

(3) That impairment would harm her more than ceasing to be deaf would help her.

That's the core claim that leads to everything else and the first question that pops into my head is: How do you (or anyone) know? Notably, I am not sure that Debbie is going to be able to make a good judgement in this case, plus there is a self-fulfilling prophecy element in here, too.

Oh, and for a fun exercise in mindkilling try substituting "on welfare" for "is deaf" X-/

Comment author: gjm 17 September 2015 12:46:24AM *  -1 points [-]

How do you (or anyone) know?

I don't. That's why all I said was that it seems possible that it (along with those other things) might be true of some people. Community is really important to many people. Finding a new community and getting well integrated into it can be difficult. That seems sufficient to make it likely that for some people staying part of an important community they're in could be overwhelmingly important.

try substituting "on welfare"

I'm not sure what point you're making, but for what it's worth the people I know who are on welfare don't appear to me to constitute a being-on-welfare community. Perhaps I know the wrong ones?

[EDITED to add:] Oh, wait, maybe you were making a less specific analogy and remarking that some people on welfare can be made worse off if, e.g., they get a job. True enough, but nothing about that seems terribly relevant to the present discussion.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 September 2015 02:44:24AM 1 point [-]

remarking that some people on welfare can be made worse off if, e.g., they get a job

Yes -- or that they believe they'll be made worse off. Not terribly relevant, true, that's why it was a side remark.