Wix comments on Rationality Quotes November 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 02 November 2011 08:22:53AM 11 points [-]

At sea once more we had to pass the Sirens, whose sweet singing lures sailors to their doom. I had stopped up the ears of my crew with wax, and I alone listened while lashed to the mast, powerless to steer toward shipwreck.

-- Odysseus in Odyssey

Comment author: Raemon 02 November 2011 01:56:49PM 1 point [-]

I'm confused about why it was valuable for him to be able to hear, if he wasn't allowed to act upon information.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 November 2011 02:28:00PM *  15 points [-]

The point of the story is that it illustrates the power of precommitment; Odysseus made a choice in advance not to steer towards the rocks even though he knew that when the opportunity would arise he would want to steer towards them.

Why he wanted to be lashed to the mast instead of stooping his ears with wax I guess was because he desired to hear the "sweet singing".

Comment author: MinibearRex 04 November 2011 02:45:36PM 11 points [-]

It was implied in myths that if you listened to the Sirens (and survived), you would learn more about yourself. Curiosity about your own true nature, fighting self-deception, etc. Very much a rationalist motivation.

Comment author: Raemon 04 November 2011 04:00:40PM 1 point [-]

Huh. Never got that. Cool.

Comment author: Bugmaster 03 November 2011 05:55:29PM 5 points [-]

Pure curiosity, probably. It's the same reason that (some) people climb mountains or poke around with rare and special rocks that glow in the dark.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 November 2011 02:02:56PM 5 points [-]

For the same reason a kleptomanic may enjoy visiting a museum even where all the beautiful works of art are securely displayed. Because he could appreciate the aesthetic without knowing that his decisions at the time would destroy him.

Comment author: Raemon 03 November 2011 05:42:57PM 0 points [-]

This makes sense, but I never felt it was really implied by the story. It always sounded like there was supposed to be a practical reason for sailing the ship.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 November 2011 05:56:58PM *  1 point [-]

To get to the other side?

Comment author: Raemon 03 November 2011 06:59:32PM 0 points [-]

:P

Practical reason (with respect to sailing the ship) for lashing yourself to the mast.

Comment author: dlthomas 04 November 2011 04:55:08PM 1 point [-]

I don't think so - I mean, he was lashed to the mast so he couldn't influence the sailing of the ship. And it's not like he could shout orders, what with everyone else's ears plugged.

Comment author: Torvaun 07 November 2011 04:48:12PM 6 points [-]

When he stopped thrashing about trying to free himself so that he could go to the Sirens, the crew could know the danger had passed.

Comment author: dlthomas 07 November 2011 05:01:08PM 1 point [-]

Ooo, nice!

Although potentially vulnerable, if the song left him with sufficient reason to pretend.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 02 November 2011 05:43:41PM 8 points [-]

Getting hit by basilisks can be very fun.