komponisto comments on 2011 Less Wrong Census / Survey - Less Wrong

77 Post author: Yvain 01 November 2011 06:28PM

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Comment author: komponisto 01 November 2011 12:36:45AM 8 points [-]

The "Anti-Agathics" question is ambiguous:

What is the probability that any person living at this moment will reach an age of one thousand years?

Two possible meanings (which, at least for me, would result in very different numbers):

  1. Given a randomly selected person living at this moment, what is the probability that they will reach an age of one thousand years?

  2. What is the probability that at least one person living at this moment will reach an age of one thousand years?

Comment author: Vaniver 01 November 2011 12:40:47AM 5 points [-]

I believe the 2nd one is intended, though I agree with you that switching to something like "at least one" would make it unambiguous.

Comment author: komponisto 01 November 2011 01:02:36AM 0 points [-]

I'm ready to hit the "submit" button as soon as Yvain confirms (or denies) this...

Comment author: [deleted] 01 November 2011 05:52:25AM 1 point [-]

Oh, dear. I assumed he meant the first one.

Comment author: pengvado 01 November 2011 10:07:12AM *  3 points [-]

Another ambiguity: Does the anti-agathics mean 1000 consecutive years, or does it include successful cryonics as a special case?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 November 2011 10:31:34PM *  2 points [-]

This question also heavily depends on the irrelevant fact of whether FAI should keep variants of original individuals, or there is something better that it should therefore do instead. In 1000 years, it's FAI or bust, so this directly controls the answer. But presumably motivation for this question is "Will the future be good in this here sense?", while the estimate is lower if the future can be even better...

Comment author: wedrifid 01 November 2011 10:18:00AM 2 points [-]

Assume 1000 animated years. :)

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 November 2011 01:09:36PM 2 points [-]

That's what I figured out.

I'd be interested to know what proportion gave an estimate for 1000 year lifespans which is at least as high as their estimate for revival from cryonics.

I suppose it's possible that suspended animation is incompatible with great longevity for those alive now, but it's hard to think of a mechanism. Perhaps genetic modification is required for longevity, and the tech for revival can't simulate that.

Comment author: Vaniver 01 November 2011 01:35:37PM 0 points [-]

Perhaps genetic modification is required for longevity, and the tech for revival can't simulate that.

Hm. This was my position before, and apparently I forgot about it when assigning my probability for the anti-aging question. Oops.

Comment author: pedanterrific 01 November 2011 01:16:14PM 0 points [-]

Hypothetical: if that were the case, would it be better not to thaw out cryonics patients as soon as it becomes possible to, in the hopes that the longevity problem would be solved in the future?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 November 2011 01:32:17PM 0 points [-]

I suppose it depends on how likely rejuvenation is to be solved. If it's looking unsolvable, then reviving the person asap makes sense-- there's probably less culture shock in dealing with a less distant future.