Kaj_Sotala comments on 9/11 Survey - Less Wrong

-27 Post author: roland 02 November 2011 12:49PM

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Comment author: roland 02 November 2011 05:01:10PM *  3 points [-]

No I don't know that, otherwise I wouldn't have made the survey. What I know is that there are some members who are very vocal about this issue, but I'm curious about the others. I guess you could also be a bit more respectful.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 03 November 2011 07:25:08AM 6 points [-]

I don't think this comment deserves this many downvotes, or for that matter any downvotes at all. Overly vocal members giving a skewed view of the group consensus is a perfectly valid concern.

Had Yvain posted this comment as a response to someone questioning why he included the polyamory question on the LW poll, when everyone knows LW:ers are poly, it would have been upvoted.

Comment author: RobertLumley 03 November 2011 08:05:38PM *  3 points [-]

I disagree. (I am a downvoter.)

Consider Bayes. The prior proportion of people who do not think his conspiracy theory is crazy is 0.06, according to the article he linked to in the OP. (This assumes that your prior is equal to the US population, and since the significant majority of LW is American (I think) this is a reasonable prior. Even if I'm wrong, it's unlikely to affect the results significantly.) Roughly twenty people replied to the conspiracy theory thread without mentioning that they thought 9/11 was a conspiracy, which seems a highly likely response, if you actually thought that. Browsing through rolands post history, I find a number of users who have explicitly said they disagree with his theory: wedrifid, Eliezer, Mitchell_Porter, lessdazed, WrongBot, Constant, Blueberry, Nisan, mattnewport, Alicorn, simplicio, Jayson_Virissimo, retired_phlebotomist, quanticle, and... well. That's as far as I care to go. But I think it's pretty clear that roland had enough Bayesian evidence prior to making his post that virtually everyone here thinks his conspiracy theory is crazy.

Comment author: prase 03 November 2011 10:15:31AM 1 point [-]

Score of a comment depends on its author as well as (or sometimes even more than) its content. It's hard to overcome this, but nevertheless having a comment similar to the grandparent standing at -7 doesn't paint a good image of LW voting habits. It can be that people have downvoted it because they suspect roland indeed knows what the opinions of LW:ers [1] are and is trolling, but far more plausible is that most downvoters (of that comment) did vote just because it is a comment written by an unpopular author on an unpopulat topic. Voting on topic is fine with me, but one should do it once for the post and not automatically downvote any subsequent comment of the author.

[1] Is it possible in English to use the Nordic habit of separating abbreviations from suffixes by a colon? It looks useful, but I thought it is permitted only in Swedish and Finnish.

Comment author: Desrtopa 03 November 2011 01:19:24PM 3 points [-]

It can be that people have downvoted it because they suspect roland indeed knows what the opinions of LW:ers [1] are and is trolling

Personally I do not think this, but I think he has little excuse for not knowing it by now. If he weren't so attached to the idea, he would have realized that he already has enough data to work out what the vast majority of people here believe about the issue with high confidence.

Comment author: RobertLumley 03 November 2011 07:21:07PM 2 points [-]

[1] Is it possible in English to use the Nordic habit of separating abbreviations from suffixes by a colon? It looks useful, but I thought it is permitted only in Swedish and Finnish.

Didn't even notice you did it. It's not technically right, as JoshuaZ pointed out, but I think my brain just saw it, processed it as being strange, and moved on since it understood anyway.

Comment author: prase 03 November 2011 08:05:02PM 0 points [-]

Kaj did it first. I wanted to know whether he did it intentionally, or whether it was a subconscious code switch.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 04 November 2011 07:39:13AM 0 points [-]

Oh, I didn't realize I did that.

Comment author: RobertLumley 03 November 2011 08:09:53PM 0 points [-]

Ah. Didn't notice that either...

Comment author: JoshuaZ 03 November 2011 05:34:59PM 2 points [-]

It can be that people have downvoted it because they suspect roland indeed knows what the opinions of LW:ers [1] are and is trolling, but far more plausible is that most downvoters (of that comment) did vote just because it is a comment written by an unpopular author on an unpopulat topic.

I'm unconvinced either way. I suspect that some degree of unpopularity exists is relevant, but it also likely extends from issues such as those mentioned in my remark above. People have given Roland suggestions about what he needs to do to get people to actually listen and he hasn't done them, even when those suggestions (like the PredictionBook suggestion) would take minimal effort.

There's a certain point where on loses patience with actions like this and wonders if someone doesn't really want to convince everyone else but just wants to feel that that they have the secret knowledge and is smarter than everyone else who just won't listen.

[1] Is it possible in English to use the Nordic habit of separating abbreviations from suffixes by a colon? It looks useful, but I thought it is permitted only in Swedish and Finnish.

It isn't common in English. I've seen it occasionally, but generally from non-native speakers. I do however think that it is common enough that people will recognize what you are doing and it won't disrupt readability.