timtyler comments on On the fragility of values - Less Wrong
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That's what lawyers call a "leading question".
I do not accept your characterisation of the situation. FWIW, I ignore most of what I encounter on the internet - so don't take it too personally.
So: I was not suggesting that people do not do good deeds. Indeed: good deeds make for good P.R.
So: people believe deeply in all kinds of religious and political doctrines and values. That doesn't mean that these are best modelled as being intrinsic values. When people change their religions and political systems, it is evidence against the associated values being intrinsic.
Valuing something instrumentally is not intended as some kind of insult. I value art and music instrumentally. It doesn't bother me that these are not intrinsic values.
This would only be valid if and only if I were not relating an exactly accurate depiction of what was occurring. IF it is leading you to a specific response -- it is a response that is in accordance with what's really happening. This makes it no more "leading" than "would you care to tell the jury why you would be on this particular piece of film stabbing the victim twenty times with a knife, Mr. Defendant?"
I cannot help it that you dislike the necessary conclusions of the current reality; that's a problem for you to handle.
Then we're done here. You're rejecting reality, and I have no interest in carrying on dialogues with people who refuse to engage in honest dialogue.