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Comment author: TimS 10 November 2011 02:35:49AM *  9 points [-]

I can think of two concepts of lie detection. In the first, the statement is compared with objective truth (i.e. Omega says, "Contrary to the Senator's assertion, this tax credit will not create jobs"). In the second, the statement is compared with the contents of the speaker's mind (i.e. Omega says, "The Senator does not believe that this tax credit will create jobs").

The first type of lie detection would be really awesome, but unlikely to be developed based on physiological study because (to paraphrase from X-Files) the truth is not in there.

The second type probably would not be useful in politics because politics is the mindkiller and I predict that most politicians believe the fundamentals of the principles they assert (based on motivated cognition, to some extent). That said, a truly reliable lie detector would be great in litigation. No more he said, she said issues. Of course, there is still the risk that the witness honestly believes some false facts.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 10 November 2011 10:20:43AM 0 points [-]

You could ask politicians how much they've researched various questions and (in detail) how thoroughly they've considered alternative possibilities.

Comment author: TimS 10 November 2011 01:58:13PM 1 point [-]

There are lots of interesting questions that I would like to be able to force politicians to answer truthfully. I'm just not sure that any answer would matter to the politician's political followers.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 November 2011 10:23:30AM 0 points [-]

Actually admit to having considered other possibilities? That sounds dangerous!

Comment author: Curiouskid 10 November 2011 02:42:52AM 0 points [-]

I still think that it would be highly beneficial. Think about Bill Clinton. Think about 9/11. Think about area 51. We could set a lot of conspiracy theories to rest.

Comment author: TimS 10 November 2011 03:03:21AM *  4 points [-]

I respectfully suggest that you are underestimating the power of motivated cognition. For example, if you believe a conspiracy thoery, then any Omega-verified denial can be explained because the speaker was not in on the truth (i.e. plausible deniability was set up in advance). Actually, I also think you overestimate the importance of fringe theories in partisan politics.

(and just to satisfy my curiosity, what Bill Clinton thing are you referring to?)

Comment author: Curiouskid 10 November 2011 03:46:25AM 0 points [-]

Bill Clinton and Monica Lowinsky. Which reminds me of another application: Lie detection in relationships.

Comment author: lessdazed 10 November 2011 01:57:43PM 2 points [-]

We could set a lot of conspiracy theories to rest.

Perhaps a few existing ones would be made slightly less popular. Maybe.

Say, did you hear about where the technology for the lie detectors came from? The manufacturer that's reproducing the original artifact has ties to the political elite that secretly...