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Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2011 06:30:30AM *  5 points [-]

Your comment about aggression being bad seemed off to me. Aggression is a useful strategy. Maybe you meant irrational misplaced aggression...

Gender is pretty useless. I see no reason that we would opt to keep it around once we have control of our bodies. Assuming that everyone gets one body and it's rather permanent (which is a pretty big assumption), either we all figure out what the optimal physiology is and converge to that, or we decide that we like diversity or something and invent vast hordes of unique bodies, or some mix of both. I see no reason to keep a binary (which we don't exactly have in any case). Analogies can be drawn to fashion; there would likely be popular mainstream body characteristics, and vast numbers of subcultural variations.

I think you are vastly underestimating the reach of transhumanism, given that 'it occurs'.

Edit: Natural selection hasn't substantially applied to much of anything for the last few thousand years, and will be totally thrown out when we get access to our source code. Evolution is in our origin but not in our future.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2011 01:37:21PM 8 points [-]

Edit: Natural selection hasn't substantially applied to much of anything for the last few thousand years,

Not necessarily true.

and will be totally thrown out when we get access to our source code. Evolution is in our origin but not in our future.

Not in Robin Hanson's Malthusian em future.

Comment author: Pavitra 14 November 2011 05:09:27AM 3 points [-]

Natural selection hasn't substantially applied to much of anything for the last few thousand years

The apparent position of the sun in Earth's sky hasn't substantially changed in the last few seconds.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 November 2011 07:15:29AM 4 points [-]

Natural selection hasn't substantially applied to much of anything for the last few thousand years,

Memes.

and will be totally thrown out when we get access to our source code.

That's not at all obvious. Note evolution =/= genetic evolution.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2011 07:21:43AM 1 point [-]

yes you are right. I should have made clear I was talking about biological evolution by natural selection. I assume that is also what the OP was talking about, given the reference to selection of mates.

By source code I mean genetic code. Once we have access to that, the human timescale modification will so totally dwarf any natural selection that it's basically not there. Can you elaborate on your position?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 November 2011 08:05:10AM 4 points [-]

By source code I mean genetic code. Once we have access to that, the human timescale modification will so totally dwarf any natural selection that it's basically not there.

Except at that point evolution incorporates human modification into itself. Specifically, those who are better at modifying themselves in way that promote their inclusive genetic fitness will out compete those that don't.

Comment author: wedrifid 11 November 2011 08:19:13AM 3 points [-]

Except at that point evolution incorporates human modification into itself.

Which is, of course, a good point to make up a new name so that the old one isn't stretched out of shape.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2011 01:38:07PM 2 points [-]

I assume that is also what the OP was talking about, given the reference to selection of mates.

Which is obviously affected by memetic evolution.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2011 03:27:03PM -2 points [-]

Yes, aggression is not the best example. Thank you. I have edited to fix this. :)