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Here's another example, which should even more clearly make my point: many teachers I remember from childhood used to give out graded papers in class. They would:
If you wanted to design a system so as to maximize humiliation (ETA: within the bounds permitted in routine situations, see below), that is pretty much the way you'd go about it.
Now you would not necessarily consciously think to yourself "I'm doing things this way so as to humiliate most kids and encourage social shunning of the few getting top grades". That isn't the kind of things we allow to have running through our minds.
If you had any conscious thoughts about this at all, they might have to do with "holding up the bright kids as examples to the rest" and "giving each their due".
But "the meaning of a message is the response it elicits": even though a teacher's conscious motivations may not include humiliation, if humiliation routinely occurs as a result of their actions we must entertain the hypothesis that it is a fully endorsed outcome of the system.
Now if you take a step back from just "grades", one tiny component of the system, and look at the bigger picture? One thing that quickly becomes apparent is that the system has one adult in charge of twenty to forty kids, and it is in the nature of kids to be unruly. And this is supposed to last for hours on end. So we should not be surprised that the system includes provisions (more than one) whereby the teacher is encouraged to assert their authority over the kids, to somehow "keep them in line".
Humiliation and praise can serve as motivation factors, not necessarily to train compliance.
Any evidence to back that up? If you wanted to design a system to result in maximum student motivation, and you had done even a modest amount of research on the topic of motivation, I'm pretty sure you would not do it that way.
Evidence to back up what? That threat of humiliation when failing exam can motivate people to learn more? I find it obvious. At least it works for me.
I don't say it's the optimal way to motivate. That doesn't exclude the possibility (quite probable in my opinion) that most people in charge (from teachers to education ministry bureaucrats) who consciously endorse the practice think it is.
It even seems to me that motivation is essential part of your hypothesis. The praise and humiliation aren't indiscriminate, they serve as reward and punishment. The questions are what is rewarded more, whether learning or compliance, and what certain people believe is the main purpose.
(I think that school rewards both learning and compliance, just don't think that mere existence of humiliation and praise is evidence for either being more important.)