quen_tin comments on The curse of identity - Less Wrong

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Comment author: quen_tin 18 November 2011 02:45:14PM -2 points [-]

Let me rephrase.

The assumption that there would exist pure gratitude-free goals is a myth: pursuing such goals would be absurd. (people who seem do perform gratitude-free actions are often religious people: they actually believe in divine gratitude).

Therefore social gratitude is an essential component of any goal and thus it is not correlated with lack of sincere motivation, nor does it "downgrade" the goal to something less important. It's just part of it.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 November 2011 02:54:50PM 1 point [-]

Therefore social gratitude is an essential component of any goal and thus it is not correlated with lack of sincere motivation

That doesn't follow. Degree of sincerity and degree of social gratitute may well be correlated. The fact that motivations are seldom pure doesn't change that. It just makes the relationship more grey.

Comment author: quen_tin 20 November 2011 03:10:19PM -1 points [-]

I don't make a difference between seeking social gratitude and having a goal. In my view, sincere motivation is positively correlated with seeking social gratitude. You can make an analogy with markets if you want: social gratitude is money, motivation is work. If something is worth doing, it will deserve social gratitude. In my view, the author here appears to be complaining that we are working for money and not for free...