Jordan comments on OPERA Confirms: Neutrinos Travel Faster Than Light - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jordan 18 November 2011 04:16:18PM 7 points [-]

If everywhere in physics where we say "the speed of light" we instead say "the cosmic speed limit", and from this experiment we determine that the cosmic speed limit is slightly higher than the speed of light, does that really change physics all that much?

Comment author: Manfred 18 November 2011 07:42:59PM *  5 points [-]

We have measured both to higher accuracies than the deviation here. One way to measure the "cosmic speed limit" is by measuring how things like energy transform when you approach that speed limit, for example, which happens in particle accelerators all day every day.

Comment author: Jordan 19 November 2011 12:03:21AM 2 points [-]

I'm aware that we've caculated 'c' both by directly measuring the speed of light (to high precision), as well as indirectly via various formulas from relativity (we've directly measured time dilation, for instance, which lets you estimate c), but are the indirect measurements really accurate to parts per million?

Comment author: Manfred 19 November 2011 01:29:45AM *  8 points [-]

Fortunately for me, wikipedia turned out to provide good citations. In 2007 some clever people managed to measure the c in time dilation to a precision of about one part in 10^-8.

Comment author: Jordan 19 November 2011 07:29:40PM 0 points [-]

Very good sir!

Comment author: jhuffman 18 November 2011 06:46:55PM 0 points [-]

Then what would be constraining the travel speed of light in a vacuum?

Comment author: FiftyTwo 18 November 2011 07:13:52PM 1 point [-]

It is possible that a photon's energy/ mass is doing so. I believe this was discused in detail in the previous post.

Comment author: kilobug 19 November 2011 09:29:45AM -2 points [-]

Dark matter ? But as explained by Manfred above, we have estimates of "c the speed of light" and of "c the fundamental constant of GR/QM" that match and don't match with the OPERA team... so I'm just noticing I'm confused for now. And waiting for further tests (like Fermilab or Japanese team who said they'll try to reproduce it).