PuyaSharif comments on The punishment dilemma - Less Wrong

-3 Post author: PuyaSharif 18 November 2011 10:34PM

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Comment author: PuyaSharif 18 November 2011 11:05:50PM 0 points [-]

Yes of course, you are free to do it yourself, but it is assumed on the large scale that that even including retaliations (which are crimes), crime rates would go down. And in a society with no punishments would it be rational to do that? (Given that the friends or relatives of that guy could come after you for coming after him for coming after you and so on..?

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 19 November 2011 02:22:34AM 2 points [-]

It's hard to reason about your hypothetical, because it seems to directly contradict actual experience. But it seems fairly straightforward to reason about what I, personally, would do: I want the chance of crimes against me minimised, so I accept the no-laws state as the best way of getting that. But if I nonetheless am among the unlucky ones, then I want revenge, so I get revenge. By hypothesis, the chance that the other guy's friends will successfully punish me has got to be small, because we've established that crime is very low in this hypothetical universe.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 November 2011 11:55:07PM *  2 points [-]

You know this doesn't have to be relegated to "thought experiment". It's pretty much the story of a large part of human history:

There were no state-enforced laws, per se, but you didn't kill people, because then their family/clan/tribe would kill you. Of course then your family would do the same, and well..you can see how this might be a never-ending downward spiral. A more sophisticated way would be to pay a weregild . (I killed your brother. Sorry. Here's some goats.)

If you are interested in seeing how this actually worked out, early Icelandic society is a pretty good microcosm. If you want to make learning it fun, read a saga. (Here's Njal's Saga )

Comment author: RomeoStevens 19 November 2011 12:00:48AM 0 points [-]

second learning about early Icelandic society, it has some fascinating legal and economic structures.