shokwave comments on Will the ems save us from the robots? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shokwave 25 November 2011 02:12:56AM 1 point [-]

It seems that ems are much harder to make friendly than a general AI. That is, some of what we have to fear from unfriendly AIs is present in powerful WBEs too, and you can't just build a WBE provably friendly to start with; you have to constrain it or teach it to be friendly (both of which are considered dangerous methods of getting to friendliness).

Comment author: FAWS 25 November 2011 11:10:07PM *  5 points [-]

Perhaps harder to make perfectly friendly (we don't have an upper bound on how hard that would be for an AI), but probably much easier to make somewhat friendly.

Comment author: roystgnr 26 November 2011 04:50:21AM 1 point [-]

I'm afraid don't recall who I'm (poorly) paraphrasing here, but:

Why would we expect emulated humans to be any Friendlier than a de novo AGI? At least no computer program has tried to maliciously take over the world yet; humans have been trying to pull that off for millennia!

Comment author: faul_sname 26 November 2011 06:04:20AM *  4 points [-]

Usually, said humans want to take over a world that still contains people.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 27 November 2011 05:20:58PM 5 points [-]

The case for WBE over AGI, simply put: the chances of getting a nice AI is vanishingly small. The chance of getting an evil AI is vanishingly small. The whole danger is in the huge "lethally indifferent" zone.

WBE are more likely to be nice, more likely to be evil, and less likely to be lethally indifferent. Since evil and lethally indifferent have similar consequences (and a lot of evil will be better than indifferent), this makes WBE better than AGI.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 11 March 2012 07:45:44PM 0 points [-]

That's individual humans. The percentage of the population that's trying to take over the world maliciously at any given time is very low.

Comment author: Curiouskid 27 November 2011 06:40:15AM 0 points [-]

What is the psychological motivation of a WBE upload? The people who try to take over the world are psychopaths and we would be able to alter their brain structures to remove those psychotic elements.