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The "political belief-bias" version of the "reasoning styles study " is awesome, precisely because how mind-killing it can be for people. I'd have it a LW norm that people always have to disclose their score when commenting on such issues. Though I might not be the best man to promote such a norm since I do admit I was pleased on getting a perfect score on resistance to both "liberal" and "conservative" belief bias.
:D
To bad the we can't pick and do the other versions of the test after we solve the one we got assigned.
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I'm accordingly updating my probabilities of how reliable LW is on certain implicitly ideological issues.
Sadly, I was assigned to the 'formal logic' version, so merely learned that I'm still a perfect logician.
There is actually a trick that you can use to retake a survey:
If you look at the URL of the feedback page for the survey you want to re-take, it contains "_process" in its URL. If you delete that section of the URL, you should be brought back to the original survey page.
Oh, thank you! There were a handful that I took a long (I presume, since I don't remember) time ago, and I was wanting to take them again to see if I had changed any.
As an aside: Do you guys generally match up pretty well with the LW average, or is there a big divergence? (I'm wondering about the standard deviation here).
It will be difficult to make this an LW norm when assignment to that version of the study is random. I was assigned to the "belief bias" portion, so I do not have a score for the political bias section.
I know. But this is an academic exercise, surely the study will eventually be described and analysed in great detail. It would not be difficult to make our own version of it.
Ah, I had taken your suggestion as meant to be implemented immediately.
According to the study, I am completely immune to bias. So, either I am a paragon of pure reason and a physical embodiment of the Platonic ideal (*); or the study is a bit too loose with its metrics. Or maybe I just got lucky, that's possible as well.
(*) Assuming such a thing exists at all, which it does, because I embody it. QED.
Perfect score obviously means immune to political bias, heh. Yes you're right. This study does count as evidence (in the Bayesian sense naturally) that biases are relatively small though.
But there is an even bigger problem. People with eclectic politics might not identify with either mainstream left or mainstream right, disliking both their positions. Their may be fanatical and politically biased on something that dosen't map very well to the left-right scale, or they may be just so far left or right that regular positions basically don't seem that different.
In other words the study may be bad at measuring bias in political outliers. High IQ correlates with less moderate political opinions btw.
That's interesting -- do you have a source for that ?
It supposedly correlates because low IQ people are more likley to be moderate, or at lease less likley to identify with labels such as conservative or liberal.
There was one study that I can't seem to find on a quick google, but using WORDSUM from the GSS as a proxy for IQ, Razib Khan from Gene expression gets basically the same result.
"jr jurer oneyrl orggre"?
Also, not to brag or anything, my resistance to both biases was, like yours, 100%.
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You have to admit it felt at least a little bit good to have that result. :)
Oddly, I get a score of 100 resistance to liberal bias, but only 82 on conservative. This is odd because I'm exposed to the liberal worldview far more.
I was not aware I had that bias, thank you for pointing out that survey.
So what do you think now? The reasoning-styles graph looks quite different to me now with 89 LW results in; could your top-sorted comment have caused gaming of it?
My comment was upvoted to +12, so it is possible it did indeed have a measurable effect, but considering that's a far larger sample of LW readers, I would tend to say the result is probably more accurate, at least for the set of LW readers. I wish we had better data from the survey on how lurkers differ from posters, at least we have a sort of usable karma distribution for non-zero values.
I got the regular belief bias version, but I got a perfect score on it. Does that count for anything?
Of course it does! It is at least some evidence that you are probably less biased in a particular way than average.
Was that the gun control one?