Bugmaster comments on Living Metaphorically - Less Wrong

24 Post author: lukeprog 28 November 2011 03:01PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (76)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Bugmaster 29 November 2011 10:29:04PM 2 points [-]

I thought the problem with the paradox was that the math was wrong. Even if we assume that there's an infinite number of points between A and B, the more points we have, the less time the arrow would spend on each point, so if the number of point is infinite, the arrow would spend an infinitesimal amount of time at each point.

As it turns out, you need to know about time series and limits (and maybe l'Hopital's rule) in order to correctly calculate the total flight time of the arrow (or, rather, to prove that it does not change even when the number of points is infinite), because infinity is not a number, and neither is 1 / infinity. Zeno did not know about these things, though.

Comment author: jsbennett86 30 November 2011 12:13:23AM -1 points [-]

Yes, you're right. You can defeat the paradox on mathematical grounds, without having to appeal to physics. But Zeno could have defeated it on his own without using any math, simply by realizing that his metaphor was not paying rent.

Comment author: Bugmaster 30 November 2011 12:40:39AM 1 point [-]

I think ArisKatsaris (on the sibling comment) is right: Zeno's whole goal was to prove that physics doesn't work (ok, he didn't call it "physics", but still), so using physics to disprove his paradox would be nonsensical.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 30 November 2011 12:21:40AM 0 points [-]

Zeno's argument was that movement was an illusion, that all was one -- that was the point of his paradoxes. The fact that things seemed to move, in combination with his paradox, proved (to him) that reality was an illusion.