hairyfigment comments on 5 Axioms of Decision Making - Less Wrong

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Comment author: taw 02 December 2011 11:23:43AM 1 point [-]

Subjective probabilities are inconsistent in any model which includes Peano arithmetic by straightforward application of Gödel's incompleteness theorems, which is essentially any non-finite model.

Most people here seem to be extremely unwilling to admit that probabilities and uncertainty are not the same thing.

Comment author: hairyfigment 03 December 2011 12:15:52AM 0 points [-]

which is essentially any non-finite model.

People tell me otherwise.

I don't know if that actually solves the problem. Nor do I know if it makes sense to claim that understanding the two meanings of a Gödel statement, and the link between them, puts you in a different formal system which can therefore 'prove' the statement without contradiction. But it seems to me this accounts for what we humans actually do when we endorse the consistency of arithmetic and the linked mathematical statements. We don't actually have the brains to write a full Gödel statement for our own brains and thereby produce a contradiction.

In your example below, X(Y is consistent) might in fact be 0.5 because understanding what both systems say might put us in Z. Again, this may or may not solve the underlying problem. But it shouldn't destroy Bayesianism to admit that we learn from experience.