DanielLC comments on A response to "Torture vs. Dustspeck": The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanielLC 30 November 2011 06:40:09AM 1 point [-]

I believe that any metric of consequence which takes into account only suffering when making the choice of "torture" vs. "dust specks" misses the point.

No, that was the point alright. If you don't believe me, ask Eliezer.

moral responsibility,

If it's not happiness, I don't find it intrinsically important. Also, if you do consider moral responsibility to be intrinsically important, you end up with a self-referential moral system. I don't think that would end well.

standards of behavior that either choice makes acceptable,

A society that lives by utilitarian principles would be better than any possible society that doesn't. As such, wouldn't encouraging society to live by utilitarian principles be a good thing? If you don't choose torture over an unimaginably worse alternative, you're encouraging people to choose the unimaginably worse option.

for the same reason why I do not condone torture even in the "ticking time bomb" scenario: I cannot accept the culture/society that would permit such a torture to exist.

Out of curiosity, what about the "criminal" scenario? I understand that what they do to criminals isn't technically torture, because the suffering from imprisonment is slower or something to that effect, but that isn't morally relevant.

Comment author: CronoDAS 30 November 2011 09:51:48AM 2 points [-]

A society that lives by utilitarian principles would be better than any possible society that doesn't.

That would depend a lot on how different people's utility is weighted. As Mel Brooks put it, "It's good to be the king."