Cites

You quote me, yes. I recal writing that. How in the world do you extrapolate from those words to a citation of the idea that merely discussing torture makes it more likely? You'll have to walk me through it slowly; the logic by which such a conclusion is reached escapes me entirely.

, the conventional wisdom that the show 24 made implementation of torture more politically feasible.

Humans react to depictions of actual torture in a manner similar to the thing itself being real. Furthermore, the show was itself a positive argument for torture. So it's no surprise then that it would have that effect; positive arguments -- if accepted, and mere popularity is a form of acceptance -- do tend to cause the things they argue for to be treated as valid.

That's not even remotely similar to what we're doing here.

You admit the essential elements of this charge.

Look; I already once asked you to stop with the dishonest conversational tactics. What, exactly, made you believe that going on from there to link to a comment by me and claim that I said things in it that I absolutely did not say would be acceptable?

Why do you feel it necessary to do this? What is your purpose?

Look, people keep telling you that you are trying to fight the hypo.

Yes, and in doing so all of you thus far are in fact doing exactly that to me. You reject, universally, the notion that secondary consequences are still consequences and then claim that by pointing this out I am the one who is 'fighting the hypothesis.

This is simply untrue. I have come to a conclusion that is not accepted here. I have justified and argued for that position extensively. No one has offered, as yet, anything resembling or approaching the resemblance of a valid reason why all consequences should not be considered as consequences. I have requested that this be done repeatedly -- all such requests have gone unanswered.

I am, based on this, sufficiently justified in asserting that I am the one who is correct and all those with that reaction are the ones in error -- that's how evidence works, after all.