Jayson_Virissimo comments on Rationality Quotes December 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: peter_hurford 30 November 2011 09:07:43PM 13 points [-]

I think this quote unfairly trivializes the subjectively (and often objectively) harsh lives suicidal people go through.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 01 December 2011 03:59:48AM *  26 points [-]

As a 911 Operator, I have spoken to hundreds of suicidal people at their very lowest moment (often with a weapon in hand). In my professional judgment, the quote is accurate for a large number of cases (obviously, there are exceptions).

Comment author: Desrtopa 02 December 2011 01:58:37AM 3 points [-]

I have read that a majority of people who survive suicide attempts end up glad that they did not succeed (although I can no longer remember and thus cannot vouch for the source.) A somewhat alarming proportion of my own acquaintances have attempted suicide though, and all except for one so far have attested that this is the case for them.

Comment author: lemonfreshman 02 December 2011 08:33:48PM 5 points [-]

There are many people who want to die. There are few who are willing to commit suicide to do it.

Comment author: brazzy 05 December 2011 11:39:24AM 1 point [-]

The point is that whether and how much one wants to die tends to fluctuate a lot, and the willingness to commit suicide depends a lot on the availiability of means to easily and painlessly do so. A large percentage of suicide attempts are opportunistic rather than planned. The planned ones probably succeed more often, but that does not necessarily mean that those people really wanted to die more - just that their will to die was over a certain threshold for a certain time.

Comment author: NihilCredo 05 December 2011 04:59:26PM 3 points [-]

The so-called 'psychotically depressed' person who tries to kill herself doesn't do so out of quote 'hopelessness' or any abstract conviction that life's assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a cer­tain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise.

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