Eugine_Nier comments on Rationality Quotes December 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 14 December 2011 04:58:36AM 5 points [-]

Personally, I have yet to be convinced that "I really want to do X, but due to akrasia I don't behave in ways that reflect my actual desire to do X" is a more accurate description of the world than "I don't really want to do X, but due to signalling I express a desire to do X I don't really have."

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 December 2011 04:28:11AM 1 point [-]

You've just signaled that you wouldn't make a very reliable ally. I'll keep that in mind. ;)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 15 December 2011 03:30:19PM 1 point [-]

What do you look for in an ally?

Comment author: wedrifid 15 December 2011 05:52:35AM -1 points [-]

No he hasn't. He has signaled a lack of hypocrisy - a desirable trait in an ally.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 December 2011 08:55:27AM *  1 point [-]

He has signaled that he identifies with his "baser urges" (a.k.a., system 1), rather then his "higher faculties" (a.k.a., system 2, a.k.a., the part that makes promises to allies). As such when I really need him, he's more likely to give in to akrasia on the grounds that any promises he made were merely signaling.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 December 2011 09:11:00AM *  1 point [-]

He has signaled that he is more likely to have baser urges that are in accord with higher faculties. So he is less likely to make promises that he can't keep, betray me because he doesn't really want to behave according to unrealistic ideals but then either express sincere remorse about his betrayal or outright self delusion and denial that he didn't live up to the verbal symbols expressed.

He has also signaled that regardless of whether or not he would make a good ally he is probably not your ally. That is, your philosophy tends to be particularly idealistic and so you have a fair indication that he is going to be opposed to your social political moves when it comes to meme expression and belief enforcement.