billswift comments on On "Friendly" Immortality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: billswift 06 December 2011 12:35:32AM 4 points [-]

I'd like to be around when life stops sucking, thank you very much.

That is why I am still alive right now. The suck has to go away some time, right. Right?

Comment author: [deleted] 06 December 2011 05:26:01PM *  6 points [-]

We live in an uncaring universe, do the math.

But don't kill yourself because that will make life worse for me and I can't kill myself because I have plenty of people who refuse to kill themselves who care about me!

Comment author: [deleted] 06 December 2011 06:55:03PM 1 point [-]

Relevant Onion article. (Part of the reason I'm still alive.)

Comment author: MixedNuts 06 December 2011 05:31:59PM -1 points [-]

The universe contains caring people, and various mechanisms they have created.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 December 2011 05:33:59PM 1 point [-]

And what are our best rationally cleaned up estimates for how long those caring people and their mechanisms are likley to stick around?

Comment author: MixedNuts 06 December 2011 05:51:00PM 0 points [-]

Well, sympathy (at least for ingroup members) is a human universal, so at least until we start with the brain modifications. And then unless we're in a horrific dystopia we can remove a bunch of sources of suck.

Some mechanisms are historical accidents (say, the dole and suicide hotlines), but things like civilisations, economies, medical systems, and technological progress look unlikely to go away unless we all do.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 December 2011 06:05:24PM 1 point [-]

unless we all do.

That's what I was aiming for with my previous comment. An actuarial table for our civilization given the best rationalist estimates we have is a depressing sight.

Comment author: MixedNuts 06 December 2011 06:08:36PM 1 point [-]

Then we don't need to kill ourselves, that's taken care of for us! (Note: previous sentence neglects the cost of suck spent waiting for the apocalypse.)

Comment author: [deleted] 06 December 2011 06:15:58PM 1 point [-]

Then we don't need to kill ourselves, that's taken care of for us!

Basically. :)