MileyCyrus comments on "Ray Kurzweil and Uploading: Just Say No!", Nick Agar - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MileyCyrus 03 December 2011 08:24:19AM -1 points [-]

Now you're just getting snarky.

This document is a bit old, but:

...the laws of physics as now understood would allow one gram (more or less) to store and run the entire human race at a million subjective years per second.

No one can hurt me today the way I could be hurt in a post-em world. In a world where human capacity for malevolence is higher, more precaution is required. One should not rule out suicide as a precaution against being tortured for subjective billions of years.

Comment author: rwallace 03 December 2011 01:59:32PM 4 points [-]

I've been snarky for this entire conversation - I find advocacy of death extremely irritating - but I am not just snarky by any means. The laws of physics as now understood allow no such thing, and even the author of the document to which you refer - a master of wishful thinking - now regards it as obsolete and wrong. And the point still holds - you cannot benefit today the way you could in a post-em world. If you're prepared to throw away billions of years of life as a precaution against the possibility of billions of years of torture, you should be prepared to throw away decades of life as a precaution against the possibility of decades of torture. If you aren't prepared to do the latter, you should reconsider the former.

Comment author: XiXiDu 03 December 2011 03:10:29PM 3 points [-]

...the author of the document to which you refer - a master of wishful thinking...

I rather subscribe to how Greg Egan describes what the author is doing:

I don’t think you’re a “bad guy”. I do think it’s a shame that you’re burying an important and interesting subject — the kind of goals and capabilities that it would be appropriate to encode in AI — under a mountain of hyperbole.