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Comment author: DanielLC 04 December 2011 10:31:33PM 3 points [-]

What exactly is this supposed to be teaching us? It seems like it's just making fun of Christians.

Comment author: moridinamael 04 December 2011 11:49:58PM 2 points [-]

I learned a lot from the comments. Mockery of Mormonism is widely agreed to be hilarious because it is "obviously" absurd. For example, it is "obvious" that Joseph Smith is a con artist. When a similar treatment is aimed at mainstream Christianity, exposing the "obvious" lies, it seems tacky and offensive because these lies are widely believed.

That said, I can't tell if the original post was designed to troll people who would be offended by its style, or designed to amuse people who already agree with its message.

Comment author: KPier 05 December 2011 12:20:28AM 1 point [-]

Eliezer said in the comments that the intent was to show how absurd religious beliefs would seem to someone who is a true outsider, and that even many atheists take Christian beliefs seriously (or at least don't see them as strange).

I'm not sure of the extent to which he succeeded, of course, but he's fairly upfront about the intended lesson.

Comment author: DanielLC 05 December 2011 02:31:55AM 5 points [-]

Eliezer said in the comments that the intent was to show how absurd religious beliefs would seem to someone who is a true outsider

But everything seems absurd to an outsider. Eliezer believes he can create God with a computer program, for example. Something being absurd doesn't make it false.

Comment author: KPier 05 December 2011 05:41:43AM 2 points [-]

See also absurdity bias and Yvain's "Talking Snakes: A Cautionary Tale".

Which is to say: you're right. I have updated in the direction of "this post was useless."

Comment author: r_claypool 06 December 2011 10:32:17AM 0 points [-]

Also Raising the Sanity Waterline

If you can't fight religion directly, what do you teach that raises the general waterline of sanity to the point that religion goes underwater? ...

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 05 December 2011 01:11:11PM *  0 points [-]

Some things should sound absurd (because they aren't true), and some shouldn't. Absurdity bias is where this judgment fails, but if you see absurdly wrong things as non-absurd, that would be the opposite, non-absurdity bias, also a problem.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 05 December 2011 03:21:16PM 1 point [-]

So, I agree with your main point, but at the risk of being pedantic: absurdity bias is the tendency of a system to judge absurd-sounding statements as false.

Judging as false an absurd statement that turns out to also be false might not be a case where "the judgment fails," but it's just as good an example of absurdity bias as judging as false an absurd statement that turns out to be true.