J_Taylor comments on 2011 Survey Results - Less Wrong

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Comment author: J_Taylor 04 December 2011 08:35:47PM 1 point [-]

I have no idea if this is universal. (Probably not.) However, in my area, using the term "blacks" in certain social circles is not considered proper vocabulary.

I don't have any huge problem with using the term. However, using it may be bad signalling and leaves Lesswrong vulnerable to pattern-matching.

Comment author: Yvain 04 December 2011 09:15:54PM 10 points [-]

What would you prefer? "Blacks" is the way I've seen it used in medical and psychological journal articles.

Comment author: J_Taylor 04 December 2011 09:23:06PM 5 points [-]

Journals use "blacks"? I had no idea it was used in technical writing. In some of my social circles, it just happens to be considered, at best, grandma-talk.

Generally, within these circles, "black people" is used.

However, I have no real preference regarding this matter.

Comment author: nazgulnarsil 06 December 2011 10:05:12AM 1 point [-]

as opposed to black fish.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 December 2011 09:36:13AM 1 point [-]

What would you prefer? "Blacks" is the way I've seen it used in medical and psychological journal articles.

Seriously? That seems a little cavalier of them.The medical and psychological influence of race isn't all that much to do with the skin color and a lot more to do with genetic population. That makes the term ambiguous to the point of uselessness. Unless "blacks" is assumed to mean, say, just those of African ancestry. In which case they could be writing "African".

Comment author: Jack 04 December 2011 09:01:58PM 3 points [-]

What is your area?

Comment author: J_Taylor 04 December 2011 09:10:09PM 2 points [-]

Southern United States.

Comment author: Jack 04 December 2011 09:17:58PM 12 points [-]

The plural can look weird but as long as it doesn't come after a definite article, it's the standard term and I've never met anyone who was offended by it. The usual politically correct substitute, African-American, is offensive in an international context.

Comment author: J_Taylor 04 December 2011 09:28:51PM 2 points [-]

I have never met any black person who was offended by it. I have met some white people who will take you less seriously if you use the term.

However, if it is the standard term then it is the standard term. I certainly would not replace it with African-American.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 05 December 2011 04:41:09AM *  11 points [-]

Moreover, there are plenty of black people in the world who are not African-American.

There's an infamous video from a few years back in which an American interviewer makes this mistake when talking to an Olympic athlete of British nationality and African ancestry. It becomes increasingly clear that the interviewer is merely doing a mental substitution of "African-American" for "black" without actually thinking about what the former term means ...

Comment author: wedrifid 05 December 2011 09:38:47AM 4 points [-]

Moreover, there are plenty of black people in the world who are not African-American.

Come to think of it we could put the emphasis of either of the terms.

Comment author: J_Taylor 05 December 2011 04:49:53AM 2 points [-]

I do not use "African-American" to refer to non-Americans.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 December 2011 07:00:57PM *  7 points [-]

I even feel weird calling Obama an African-American (though I still do it, because he self-identifies as one). In my mental lexicon it usually specifically refers to descendants of the African slaves taken to the Americas a long time ago, whereas Obama's parents are a White American of English ancestry and a Kenyan who hadn't been to the US until college.

Comment author: anonymous259 05 December 2011 07:39:46PM 13 points [-]

Ironically, Obama is exactly the kind of person to whom that term should refer, if it means anything at all. Descendants of African slaves taken to the Americas a long time ago should have another term, such as "American blacks".

Despite his lack of membership in it, Obama self-identifies with the latter group for obvious political reasons; after all, "children of foreign exchange students" is not an important constituency.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 December 2011 05:03:26AM 5 points [-]

For what it's worth, I'm also from the southern US, and I also have the impression that "blacks" is slightly cringey and "black people" is preferred.

Comment author: J_Taylor 07 December 2011 05:03:56AM 0 points [-]

I am glad that my case is not too aberrant.