Oligopsony comments on 2011 Survey Results - Less Wrong

94 Post author: Yvain 05 December 2011 10:49AM

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Comment author: gwern 04 December 2011 10:50:28PM 2 points [-]

The point being that if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and it hasn't spread (in order to maintain the Great Silence), then the odds of our 1 galaxy, out of the millions or billions known, being the host ought to be drastically smaller even if we try to appeal to reasons to think our galaxy special because of ourselves (eg. panspermia).

Comment author: Oligopsony 05 December 2011 01:12:32AM 3 points [-]

Such a set of probabilities may be justified if you're very uncertain (as seems superficially reasonable) about the baseline probability of life arising in any given galaxy. So perhaps one might assign a ~40% chance that life is just incredibly likely, and most every galaxy has multiple instances of biogenesis, and a ~40% chance that life is just so astronomically (har har har) improbable that the Earth houses the only example in the universe,

This is almost certainly much less reasonable once you start thinking about the Great Filter, unless you think the Filter is civilizations just happily chilling on their home planet or thereabouts for eons, but then not everybody's read or thought about the Filter.

Comment author: gwern 05 December 2011 04:31:38AM 1 point [-]

I was kind of hoping most LWers at least had heard of the Great Silence/Fermi controversy, though.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 05 December 2011 04:17:14PM 0 points [-]

Maybe there should be a question or two about the Fermi paradox.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 December 2011 04:40:14AM *  0 points [-]

The bigger problem to me seems that both the numbers (galaxy and universe) are way too high. It seems like it should be more in the range of "meta-uncertainty + epsilon" for both answers. Maybe "epsilon * lots" for the universe one but even that should be lower than the uncertainty component.