ChrisHallquist comments on 2011 Survey Results - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ChrisHallquist 05 March 2012 04:30:20AM 4 points [-]

Alternatively, the singularity happened in 1990 and the resulting AI took over the world. Then it decided to run some simulations of what would have happened if the singularity hadn't occurred then.

Comment author: timtyler 05 March 2012 11:01:43AM *  1 point [-]

Maybe. These are suspiciously interesting times.

However, IMO, Occam still suggests that we are in base reality.

Comment author: Kevin 05 March 2012 11:13:59AM 2 points [-]

However, IMO, Occam still suggests that we are in base reality.

Does it? Kolmogorov complexity suggests a Tegmark IV mathematical universe where there are many more simulations than there are base realities. I think that when people ask if we are in the base reality versus a simulation they are asking the wrong question.

Comment author: timtyler 05 March 2012 01:22:11PM 3 points [-]

Kolmogorov complexity suggests a Tegmark IV mathematical universe where there are many more simulations than there are base realities.

You are supposed to be counting observers, not realities. Simulations are more common, but also smaller.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 05 March 2012 11:35:34AM 2 points [-]

Do you ever worry that by modeling others' minds and preferences you give them more local significance (existence) when this might not be justifiable? E.g. if Romeo suddenly started freaking out about the Friendliness problem, shifting implicit attention to humanity as a whole whereas previously it'd just been part of the backdrop, and ruining the traditional artistic merit of the play. That wouldn't be very dharmic.

Comment author: Kevin 06 March 2012 01:04:38AM 0 points [-]

I guess I wonder if you are giving more local significance to YHVH.

Comment author: Kevin 05 March 2012 12:53:13PM *  0 points [-]

Not really.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 05 March 2012 12:08:46PM 1 point [-]

Kolmogorov complexity suggests a Tegmark IV mathematical universe where there are many more simulations than there are base realities.

In a Tegmark IV universe, there's no meaningful distinction between a simulation and a base reality -- as anything "computed" by the simulation, is already in existence without the need for a simulation.

Comment author: Kevin 05 March 2012 12:09:27PM 0 points [-]

Sure.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 March 2012 01:01:59PM 0 points [-]

I think that when people ask if we are in the base reality versus a simulation they are asking the wrong question.

If that's what they happen to want to know then it's the right question. That is to say it is coherent question that corresponds to a pattern that can be identified within Tegmark IV that distinguishes that location from other locations within Tegmark IV and so can potentially lead to different expactations.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 05 March 2012 12:11:02PM 0 points [-]

These are suspiciously interesting times.

Oh, please.

Comment author: timtyler 05 March 2012 01:25:10PM 0 points [-]

That is surely pertinent evidence. Our descendants may well be particularly interested in this era - since it will help them to predict the form of aliens they might meet.

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 05 March 2012 12:48:52PM -1 points [-]

To be clear, I don't think that possibility is at all likely. Except as an explanation for why someone might have said "1990."