RichardKennaway comments on Issues with the Litany of Gendlin - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raemon 10 December 2011 08:17:48AM *  0 points [-]

Well put.

Still leaves the question: Change the Litany (if so, how)? Or just don't use it in this particular context?

I supposed I should probably reveal a little bit of the context: There will be a Litany following a spoken presentation of Beyond the Reach of God. That Litany can either be the Litany of Gendlin, or the Litany of Tarski with a phrasing similar to:

If the world will be destroyed during my lifetime,
I desire to believe that the world will be destroyed during my lifetime.
If the world will not be destroyed during my lifetime,
I desire to not believe that the world will be destroyed during my lifetime.
Let me not become attached to beliefs I may not want.

(Litany of Tarski's already getting used in multiple other places during the night, so there's no advantage to using purely for the sake of using it. I believe there is [slight] advantage to using Gendlin at least once to create a sense of completeness)

Comment author: RichardKennaway 10 December 2011 08:49:38PM 1 point [-]

Your objection to the Litany of Gendlin applies equally to the Litany of Tarski. Both tell you to desire the truth above your attachment to beliefs.

Comment author: Raemon 10 December 2011 09:38:45PM 3 points [-]

I don't feel that Tarski says anything untrue the way that Gendlin does. It doesn't say that believing the unfair world won't hurt, or that you're already enduring the knowledge. It just says that, all things together, it is more important to believe the truth than to cling to the comforting falsehood. Which I fully endorse.