mwengler comments on How Many Worlds? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: mwengler 15 December 2011 04:16:30PM 0 points [-]

Irrespective of my below comment where i get more empathetic wiht the motivation for MWI, I do want to point out some of the reasons why I think MWI may be a "bridge too far" to solve any problems.

The universe as we know it has proven to be gigantically "conservative" in the sense of having a bunch of conservation laws that it simply never violates. Conservation of mass-energy being among the deepest and most powerful. In this universe, at this epoch, stuff is neither created nor destroyed: it is converted from one kind of stuff into another with strict conservation. Even particle pairs that arise from random vacuum fluctuations all soon "realize" if they are violating conservation of energy and disappear before you can say within the uncertainty principle that they were ever there.

So now we come along, have a subtle issue with wavefunction collapse and what really causes it and what does it all mean, and the solution is: the universe may be strictly conservative, but the multiverse is growing in total mass and energy about as fast as any growth fuction that you can conceive, and THAT is what makes the direction of time so strong?

Yes, of course this COULD wind up being right and being the simplest. I await proposed experimental verifications, without them I can NEVER pick a non-conservative multiverse.

But thanks for making it clearer what some of the things that are gained are.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 15 December 2011 08:44:43PM 3 points [-]

but the multiverse is growing in total mass and energy about as fast as any growth fuction that you can conceive, and THAT is what makes the direction of time so strong?

That's not how MWI works. These worlds are not being created. The wavefunction of the universe is being split up between them.

Comment author: mwengler 15 December 2011 10:02:54PM 0 points [-]

Are there more of these worlds now than there were 15 billion years ago?

If so, you can call it anything you want, but I vote that "created" is a pretty good term for explaining something that exists now that didn't used to.

Comment author: Dan_Moore 15 December 2011 04:51:23PM 0 points [-]

I failed to mention one major additional point. Decoherence and MWI also account for the observed fine-tuning of the universe to support life, including key details of the inflation hypothesis. The standard interpretation doesn't.

As to conservation of mass-energy, this seems to be something that conflicts with your intuition that if there were decoherence, mass-energy would be divided up into the various branches and thus diminished in each branch. If you did accept the superiority of decoherence & MWI over the standard interpretation, you'd have to set this intuition aside.

You are free to select the version of Occam's Razor that appeals to you. I like the one that chooses a complete explanation (that also explains fine-tuning) over an incomplete explanation that also requires an exogenous wave-collapse for the first natural observer.