bentarm comments on Measures, Risk, Death, and War - Less Wrong

11 Post author: Vaniver 20 December 2011 11:37PM

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Comment author: bentarm 21 December 2011 12:24:34AM *  6 points [-]

I don't have a lot to add to the article itself, but on the subject of rock, paper, scissors, I've found it quite illuminating to play this game (I've played more than 20 games at least 4 times, and still not finished in the lead once), and quite surprising just how predictable people must be for this algorithm to be so successful.

Comment author: Vaniver 21 December 2011 02:49:27AM 4 points [-]

I stopped at 45 rounds because I had hit a pretty 15-15-15. I think the most I was ahead was when it was about 10-7-6. I found that I could do well in the short run by swapping patterns- 'play what would have lost to what he played', and then when he picks up on that switching to what would beat him if he believes that about me. It then got harder / I stopped putting as much effort into it.

If you click on the "what he's thinking" thing, it looks like he just has a 3^8 lookup table based on the last four rounds. Given that game state, he throws against whatever the most likely human action was- which suggests it might be possible to infer that lookup table from his behavior then use it to find a stable loop you can mine (until you dominate that part of the lookup table). It would probably be unethical to write an AI to beat their AI, though, since that would be screwing with their data about humans.

Comment author: Mass_Driver 24 December 2011 06:22:12AM 3 points [-]

As a way to conserve effort, you can just never throw rock, and try to pick scissors/paper at random. This is sufficiently unusual behavior that the 3^8 lookup table should fail enough to give you a small but stable edge. I went 10-7-7 doing this.

Comment author: DanielLC 21 December 2011 03:37:44AM 2 points [-]

I played by taking the digits of pi modulo three. Some humans have good random number generators.

I forgot to take out one of the digits, though.

Comment author: dlthomas 21 December 2011 12:38:12AM 2 points [-]

30 rounds against the veteran, 11 wins, 10 ties, 9 losses. I seem to be doing about random.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 December 2011 06:59:11PM 1 point [-]

Dammit! One more avenue for procrastination!