Antisuji comments on Ritual Report: NYC Less Wrong Solstice Celebration - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Antisuji 20 December 2011 08:55:33PM 5 points [-]

Just as a datapoint, though I expect my reaction is not atypical: I consider myself something of an insider — I have been to several meetups and I comment on LW regularly — and this seems cultish to me. I have to agree that, pretty inevitably, outsiders would see this kind of ritual as cultish. We would do well to understand the complexities involved.

It does sound like fun, though.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 05 January 2012 02:16:55PM 3 points [-]

I think it takes more than a yearly ritual to make a group look like a cult. Um, things like being encouraged to give the group lots of money.

Some life-style changes are also apt to set off cult warnings, but I don't think the sorts of changes LWers make are of that sort, especially since many of the changes (for example, dietary) vary from one person to another.

Comment author: AlexanderD 24 December 2012 08:29:14AM 2 points [-]

As a newcomer who has never been to a meetup - an outsider - I assure you that you are right. It seems surprisingly cultish. I say "surprisingly" because I would never have imagined that LWers would attempt to ape religion and chain awe at the numinous to a specific set of rituals. I suppose in retrospect there is ample precedent, because certainly the Twelve Virtues and the litanies are pseudo-religious (presumably to lend them gravity), but... yipes!

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 24 December 2012 09:43:00AM *  1 point [-]

There are parts of our brains that respond very strongly to ritual. As long as they're still there, we might as well use them to impart knowledge that's actually true. Also, if we can't figure out how to supplant religious rituals with new rituals that provide the same social function but without the false beliefs attached, then people will always see a need for religion in their lives.

Edit: Kaj_Sotala wrote a comment expounding the second point above.

Comment author: Raemon 20 December 2011 08:59:29PM 2 points [-]

This is definitely a concern of mine.

Comment author: quinsie 24 December 2011 07:50:58PM 0 points [-]

The part where you read exerts from HP Lovecraft and the sequences makes my cult sensors go off like a foghorn. All of the rest of it seems perfectly beneign. It's just the readings that make me think "CULT!" in the back of my mind. It seems like they're being used as a replacement for a sacred text and being used to sermonize with. If it weren't for that, this would seem much less cultish and more like a university graduation or a memorial or other secular-but-accepted-and-important ritual.