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Comment author: fetidodor 21 December 2011 12:09:11AM *  1 point [-]

You can either acknowledge this, and use it to your advantage to help them be the best future self they can be, OR you can say that it is "manipulative" and instead leave their formation up to chance.

This doesn't sound right to me. I think you could find certain things "manipulative", and so look at specifically doing/saying things that weren't manipulative. For example, what if you told the children of their own bias, or you told them, "Don't believe what I say just because I tell you that you believe it." I'm sure your intentions are correct, but I would think the interaction could be consistent with "ordinary adult interaction" with regards to manipulation and so on.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 December 2011 12:45:51AM *  24 points [-]

what if you told the children of their own bias

This might be useful at a certain age. But for younger children, that just isn't reasonable. They don't have the development to understand that. For example, here is the basic script of the "False Belief" Test, that shows a lack of Theory of Mind.

Tester: [presents crayon box] What do you think is inside?
Child (2-3 year old): Crayons!
Tester: [opens box. shows that there are birthday candles inside box] Oh, look! What is actually inside the box?
Child: birthday candles!
Tester: [closes box] Before I opened the box, what did you think was inside the box?
Child: Birthday candles!
Tester: Your mom is outside the room. If she came in, and we showed her this [closed] box, what would your Mom think was inside the box?
Child: Birthday candles!

So good luck getting them to actually understand cognitive biases!

what if... you told them, "Don't believe what I say just because I tell you that you believe it."

Then you are doing the exact same thing I am advocating for. You are manipulating their mind (by telling them what you want them to believe) to result in a positive outcome.

Comment author: lavalamp 21 December 2011 01:50:48AM 7 points [-]

Does the child respond that way because they have no theory of mind, or because they don't parse the questions well and are just hearing, "blah blah blah what's inside the box?" (this interpretation still supports your point, this is just something I always wonder about when I hear that chlidren have no theory of mind.)

Comment author: [deleted] 21 December 2011 02:34:03AM 14 points [-]

I would say that it is definitely that they do not have the cognitive/developmental abilities. There are MANY experiments, showing various fallacies at various ages. Here are some other examples:

Lack Conservation

Formal Operation

Comment author: lavalamp 21 December 2011 02:31:56PM 1 point [-]

I'd read about those things before, but the videos were still cool, thanks.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 21 December 2011 03:09:56AM -1 points [-]

Another possibility is a lack of sequencing events in time: if you're not separating "what I see right now" from "what I thought before" consistently, you're going to come up with funny answers.