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78 Post author: Stuart_Armstrong 25 December 2011 09:37AM

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Comment author: katydee 26 December 2011 06:40:28AM 8 points [-]

Not scary enough, but entertaining.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 26 December 2011 09:04:48AM *  13 points [-]

Actually, I found it much harder to write a non-scary utopia than a scary one. You want the story to be entertaining, and scary is entertaining. And "this is scary, but trust me, it's actually good" is a far too easy way to get entertaining but claim it's actually utopic.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 December 2011 04:49:00PM 8 points [-]

It's only easy if you take something that's scary-and-nongood and claim it's scary-and-good. Coming up with things that you believe are genuinely optimal, and which happen to be scary, is the realistic way of generating a scary utopia. It is not cheating. And many readers will disagree, but that's fine.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 28 December 2011 06:37:21PM *  4 points [-]

An ideal author can write ideal stories. But I found that scariness sucks story energy from the other parts (both for me and the reader). A long story can cope with it, but a short story risks becoming a SCARY utopia rather than a scary UTOPIA.

More details in my post at http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/920/eutopia_is_scary_for_the_author/

Comment author: Armok_GoB 28 December 2011 05:38:33PM 0 points [-]

Or you could up with something that has a clear and terrible price, and such confusing and indirect benefits that no human could reasonably figure out their magnitude.