TheOtherDave comments on Welcome to Less Wrong! (2012) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Bakkot 01 January 2012 09:10:12PM 3 points [-]

It's not precisely a threshold because it's not binary. The quality is "personhood". Defining personhood is obviously an incredibly difficult thing to do, so I've been avoiding doing so in this thread. However, any reasonable definition I can come up with does not include very young infants. If you think that newborns are people, I'd be interested in hearing why - but I haven't come up with a sufficiently good wording for what I think personhood is to have a debate about it.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 01 January 2012 09:25:04PM 3 points [-]

Well, one relatively simple question that might help clarify some things: do I remain a person when I'm asleep?

Comment author: Bakkot 01 January 2012 09:36:09PM 2 points [-]

Yes - even while sleeping, your brain contains all the structure and information necessary for personhood, as is easily empirically demonstrated by waking you up.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 01 January 2012 09:43:52PM 3 points [-]

Cool. Would I still be a person while in a coma that I will naturally come out of in five years but not before? (I recognize that no observer could know that this was the case, I'm just asking whether in fact I would be, if it were. Put another way: after I woke up, would we conclude that I'd been a person all along?)

Comment author: Bakkot 01 January 2012 09:53:41PM 3 points [-]

Obviously this is a difficult question. I'd say you're very nearly a person while in a coma, because with very minor modifications to your brain you could have returned to being a person.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 01 January 2012 09:56:28PM 0 points [-]

OK, cool... that clarifies matters. Thanks.