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Comment author: Bakkot 02 January 2012 01:59:08AM 1 point [-]

But I don't think infanticide was ever justified on a "human autonomy" basis

It's difficult to make conclusions about this, because most historical cultures made fairly little effort to support their conventions at all. However, it's certainly been my impression that a lot more cultures were OK with casual infanticide than casual murder. This suggests strongly to me that the view of newborns as people is not universal.

In general, I suspect that most cultures that tolerated infanticide were much lower on the human-autonomy scale than our current civilization (i.e. valued individual human life less than we do).

Probably, but I'd be surprised if most of that effect were to do with anything beyond the fact that infanticide was more common historically than it is today and respect for individual human life is higher today that it was historically. That's certainly not a very strong argument that infanticide being morally wrong is indeed basically a moral universalism.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 January 2012 02:01:55AM 2 points [-]

It's difficult to make conclusions about this, because most historical cultures made fairly little effort to support their conventions at all. However, it's certainly been my impression that a lot more cultures were OK with casual infanticide than casual murder. This suggests strongly to me that the view of newborns as people is not universal.

Cultures are often fine with killing wives and children too, if they get too far out of line. They are yours after all.

Comment author: Bakkot 02 January 2012 02:24:48AM 2 points [-]

Absolutely. Keep in mind, I'm not trying to justify infanticide by saying it used to be common. I'm saying TimS objected to my moral reasoning because it didn't add up to normal, and I was objecting to his characterization of accepted infanticide as highly abnormal. That's all.