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Comment author: Kouran 04 January 2012 02:52:21PM 0 points [-]

Hello Thomblake,

Thanks for the welcome! But I really can't agree with your statement.

Irrationality, which I would for now define as all human action and awareness that isn't rational thinking or that doesn't follow a rationally defined course of action, is not a 'bug'; rather it's most of the features that make us up and allow our continued existence. They make up a much greater part of what we are than those things/ faculties or moments/situations that we might call rational. And most of these deserve more respect than being called bugs. Especcially in an evolutionary perspective most of these traits and processes should definately be considered features to which we owe our continued existence. Often these things conflict with a rationality we hope to attain, but I think that at other times they are neccesary prerequisites to it. Emotions can be qualified, or 'legitimated' by reflexive rational thought, and we can try to purge emotions we deem to be personal hurdles, but still most of our lives take place outside the realm of rationality. Rationality should be used to improve the rest of our lives and to improve the way humankind is organised, how it organises it's sphere of influence. I think it's a mistake to think rationality could, or should, be everything we are.

Comment author: thomblake 04 January 2012 02:58:50PM 0 points [-]

See What Do We Mean By "Rationality".

Summary: "Epistemic rationality" is having beliefs that correspond to reality. "Instrumental rationality" is being able to actualize your values, or achieve your goals.

Irrationality, then, is having beliefs that do not correspond to reality, or being unable to achieve your goals. And to the extent that humans are hard-wired to be likely irrational, that certainly is a bug that should be fixed.

Comment author: Kouran 04 January 2012 03:41:07PM 1 point [-]

By that definition you might say that, but that still leaves the problem I tend to adress, that rationality (and by the supplied definition also irrationality) is suscribe to people and actions where thinking quite likely did not take place or was not the deciding factor of what action came about in the end. It falsely divides human experience into 'rational' and 'erroneously rational/irrational'. Thinkin is nog all that goes on among humans.

Comment author: thomblake 04 January 2012 04:07:38PM 0 points [-]

Thinkin is nog [sic] all that goes on among humans.

Uncontroversial, as far as that goes.