PhilGoetz comments on Average utilitarianism must be correct? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 06 March 2012 08:56:28PM *  2 points [-]

[Average utilitarianism] implies that for any population consisting of very good lives there is a better population consisting of just one person leading a life at a slightly higher level of well-being (Parfit 1984 chapter 19). More dramatically, the principle also implies that for a population consisting of just one person leading a life at a very negative level of well-being, e.g., a life of constant torture, there is another population which is better even though it contains millions of lives at just a slightly less negative level of well-being (Parfit 1984). That total well-being should not matter when we are considering lives worth ending is hard to accept. Moreover, average utilitarianism has implications very similar to the Repugnant Conclusion (see Sikora 1975; Anglin 1977).

Average utilitarianism has even more implausible implications. Consider a world A in which people experience nothing but agonizing pain. Consider next a different world B which contains all the people in A, plus arbitrarily many people all experiencing pain only slightly less intense. Since the average pain in B is less than the average pain in A, average utilitarianism implies that B is better than A. This is clearly absurd, since B differs from A only in containing a surplus of arbitrarily many people experiencing nothing but intense pain. How could one possibly improve a world by merely adding lots of pain to it?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 27 January 2014 10:08:19PM 0 points [-]

You realize you just repeated the scenario described in the quote?

Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 28 January 2014 11:11:39AM 0 points [-]

I don't think I did. The implication I noted is even more absurd than those mentioned in the comment I was replying to. To see the difference, pay attention to the italicized text.