benelliott comments on [SEQ RERUN] Zut Allais! - Less Wrong

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Comment author: benelliott 27 December 2011 11:56:17PM -1 points [-]

Any complex adaptation, requiring many genes to work together, cannot all evolve at once, it would be too unlikely a mutation. Instead, pieces evolve one by one, each individually useful in the context they first appear. However, there is not enough selection pressure to evolve a new piece unless the old pieces are already universal, so you would not expect anything complicated to exist in some but not all members of a species.

With intelligence, it seems like many different factors can affect it on the margins, because the brain is a complex organ that can be slowed down, sped up or damaged in many ways. However, I do not notice a particularly wide intelligence spread among humans, only in rare cases where something is genuinely broken do we find someone less intelligent than a chimpanzee, and we literally never find someone more intelligent by an equivalent amount.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 28 December 2011 05:46:31AM 4 points [-]

Any complex adaptation, requiring many genes to work together, cannot all evolve at once, it would be too unlikely a mutation. Instead, pieces evolve one by one, each individually useful in the context they first appear. However, there is not enough selection pressure to evolve a new piece unless the old pieces are already universal, so you would not expect anything complicated to exist in some but not all members of a species.

I get that. I don't see how that could imply that quantitative variation must be controlled by a single gene.

I also don't see how the magnitude of variation in intelligence affects the argument ("particularly wide intelligence spread" is subjective).

Comment author: benelliott 28 December 2011 11:32:29AM 0 points [-]

It doesn't quite have to be controlled by a single gene, I was giving an example. Something like height, which is affected by many factors, could be affected by lots of single gene substitutions, but you would expect the over-all effect to look like an averaging out, not like some humans having one set of decision making machinery and others having a totally different set.