dlthomas comments on So You Want to Save the World - Less Wrong

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Comment author: dlthomas 06 January 2012 10:54:06PM *  2 points [-]

I never said that paperclip maximizing can't be their ultimate life goal, but they could change it anytime they like.

This is incoherent. If X is my ultimate life goal, I never like to change that fact outside quite exceptional circumstances that become less likely with greater power (like "circumstances are such that X will be maximized if I am instead truly trying to maximize Y"). This is not to say that my goals will never change, but I will never want my "ultimate life goal" to change - that would run contrary to my goals.

Comment author: Dwelle 07 January 2012 09:38:05PM 0 points [-]

That's why I said, that they can change it anytime they like. If they don't desire the change, they won't change it. I see nothing incoherent there.

Comment author: dlthomas 08 January 2012 08:00:55PM 1 point [-]

This is like "X if 1 + 2 = 5". Not necessarily incorrect, but a bizarre statement. An agent with a single, non-reflective goal cannot want to change its goal. It may change its goal accidentally, or we may be incorrect about what its goals are, or something external may change its goal, or its goal will not change.

Comment author: Dwelle 08 January 2012 10:02:08PM 0 points [-]

I don't know, perhaps we're not talking about the same thing. It won't be an agent with a single, non-reflective goal, but an agent billion times more complex than a human; and all I am saying is, that I don't think it will matter much, whether we imprint in it a goal like "don't kill humans" or not. Ultimately, the decision will be its own.

Comment author: MixedNuts 07 January 2012 09:45:40PM 1 point [-]

So it can change in the same way that you can decide right now that your only purposes will be torturing kittens and making giant cheesecakes. It can-as-reachable-node-in-planning do it, not can-as-physical-possibility. So it's possible to build entities with paperclip-maximizing or Friendly goals that will never in fact choose to alter them, just like it's possible for me to trust you won't enslave me into your cheesecake bakery.

Comment author: Dwelle 07 January 2012 09:54:34PM 0 points [-]

Sure, but I'd be more cautious at assigning probabilities of how likely it's for a very intelligent AI to change its human-programmed values.