philh comments on The Value (and Danger) of Ritual - Less Wrong

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Comment author: philh 31 December 2011 12:33:04PM *  5 points [-]

I think it would be helpful to have some "if you're doing this, something went wrong" heuristics so that we can notice ahead of time that something undesirable is happening, and stop it.

A possible danger with this is that we think, "oh, we can't sacrifice virgins, that's on the List Of Bad Things, let's sacrifice grandmothers instead". The fact that there is a list might encourage us to think the list is exhaustive. (Here "think" means "think/reason subconsciously/act like/whatever".)

Perhaps we could help avoid this with ritual-moderators who examine rituals for signs that things have gone horribly wrong, but explicitly without advising the ritual-smiths in the process of constructing them. If you can't avoid the moderator's List Of Bad Things without being told what's on it, you also can't avoid the list of Bad Things That The Moderator Didn't Think Of.

Comment author: Raemon 31 December 2011 06:05:16PM 3 points [-]

The Rationalist Confessor is not allowed to partake in ritual.... :)

Comment author: wedrifid 31 December 2011 06:12:18PM 1 point [-]

The Rationalist Confessor is not allowed to partake in ritual.... :)

Which sounds like a ritualistic tradition of its own.

Comment author: Raemon 31 December 2011 06:14:59PM 2 points [-]

I wouldn't call that "ritual", but I would call it deliberate community building along a similar axis.

Comment author: homunq 19 April 2012 03:24:18PM 0 points [-]

It is probably a good idea to include space for a "devil's advocate" inside the ritual, rather than having them somehow sit out (without ritualistically turning their back, or NOT turning their back, or ritualistically considering the issue and Making their Own Decision? How is this even possible?) or sing "la la la I can't hear this" the entire time.