FiftyTwo comments on New Year's Prediction Thread (2012) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: FiftyTwo 03 January 2012 05:28:20PM 2 points [-]

90%: Judge Rotenberg Center continues torturing children at least through December 31, 2012.

While I know nothing about the case, given that sentence has the same structure as 'have you stopped beating your wife' it may be hard to place a prediction on.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 January 2012 10:19:14PM *  3 points [-]

Rotenburg Center

I agree that this is torture. However, I recommend adding links for subjects which aren't common knowledge.

Another school-- uses mace rather than electric shocks

I have no strong opinion about when or whether these practices will be stopped.

Comment author: dlthomas 03 January 2012 10:32:22PM 0 points [-]

It doesn't have the same structure at all. "No" is always the preferred response to "do you continue to beat your wife?" The preferred answer of a strict reading of "have you stopped beating your wife?" depends on whether you had been previously (which sets up the trap of the joke).

Comment author: FiftyTwo 04 January 2012 03:14:12AM 0 points [-]

"Did they continue torturing children?" "No" implies they had in the past.

"Did they continue torturing children?" "Yes" is only true if they did so in the past and are continuing to do so.

What I meant was without assuming a value for 'they have tortured children in the past' (which I assume to be at least slightly controversial) you cannot give a probability to it.

Though I suppose if they have not tortured children in the past the correct probability of continuation would be 0% as it is impossible. Same as the prediction "P&¬P." (Though realistically you'd want to incorporate your assessment of the available evidence, see my comment on kalla724's post).

Comment author: AspiringKnitter 03 January 2012 08:07:52PM *  0 points [-]

While I know nothing about the case,

That's why you think it's unreasonable to accuse them of torture.

I'll consider myself to have guessed wrong if it comes out that they were really never torturing anyone at all to begin with. I will not, however, use a euphemism when what I mean is "torture".

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 07 January 2012 09:43:53PM 1 point [-]

Point was, you didn't make the accusation first, and then predict its continuation.

Comment author: AspiringKnitter 07 January 2012 10:33:42PM 1 point [-]

I didn't think I needed to for the same reason that I didn't think I needed to separately claim that there are OWS protests before predicting their continuation. I thought this wasn't up for debate.