MarkusRamikin comments on Rationality quotes January 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nornagest 01 January 2012 02:06:20AM *  5 points [-]

By convention there is color, by convention sweetness, by convention bitterness; but in reality there are atoms and space.

-- Democritus

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 01 January 2012 08:44:24AM 3 points [-]

How are those things "convention"? Did all sentience have a pow-wow some time back and decide to experience such and such sensations when confronted with such and such physical things?

Comment author: Nornagest 01 January 2012 09:43:04AM *  5 points [-]

I read it as saying they're conventional in the sense that the lines between categories of sensory experience are drawn by consensus, lacking direct access to the experiences of others.

We of course lack direct access to the atomic-scale world as well, but I imagine that's the point -- atomism was a lot more abstract to the likes of Democritus than atomic theory is to us. The underlying physical reality is in a certain sense abstracted away from us, and we reflect that by talking about physical experiences in a conventional way, but those experiences are still rooted in the reality of atoms and space -- or distributions of probability density, if you prefer.

Comment author: latanius 01 January 2012 03:04:12PM 1 point [-]

Including three kinds of light sensors, including one for around 700 nm electromagnetic waves (also called "red"), is a common design convention for humans (for reference, see "Further Random Experiments with Photoreceptors in Furry Legged Things", in Proceedings of the Council of Azathoth, 63 million y. BC)

Comment author: soreff 01 January 2012 03:20:37PM 0 points [-]

Three types of cones, plus one type of rod....

Comment author: latanius 01 January 2012 03:31:48PM 1 point [-]

woops I indeed forgot the "Enhancements for Night Vision" part...

Comment author: Will_Newsome 03 January 2012 08:56:27AM *  -2 points [-]

Yes. (Democritus was at least essentially wrong about the atoms and space thing upon a somewhat naive interpretation, but he was right about convention. And I say this as someone who dislikes Democritus.)