gwern comments on Rationality quotes January 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raemon 03 January 2012 01:19:22AM *  6 points [-]

Well, he knows about the Hallows themselves via wiki-readings. I think he would have written the story the way it is whether he knew about the tombstone or not, but I put fairly high probability that he does know about the tombstone and how fantastically awesome an endcap it's going to be on the story.

Comment author: gwern 03 January 2012 02:02:23AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: Raemon 03 January 2012 02:21:40AM *  5 points [-]

I think there's a close to 100% chance that the tombstone will be alluded to, because even if Eliezer DIDN'T know about it before, he will by the time the story ends (because I will have questioned and informed him about this), and after that I just can't imagine him making such a terrible mistake as to NOT include the tombstone's quote.

I do think a simple bet of "did he already plan this?" is feasible. We can just ask him. (I put odds at 75%).

(By "close to 100%" I mean maybe 95. I can think of scenarios where he hadn't originally planned for the tombstone and where it would be hard to integrate it)

Comment author: gwern 03 January 2012 04:13:11AM 2 points [-]

Oh fine: http://predictionbook.com/predictions/5124 But you'd better ask him now!

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 January 2012 07:12:07AM *  4 points [-]

I was already aware of the quote. It's on James and Lily's tombstone (in canon).

Comment author: gwern 04 January 2012 02:54:45PM 3 points [-]

I see; but the predictions/questions wasn't were you aware of it at all, but were you planning to incorporate it ex ante, and did you ex post.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 January 2012 09:13:13PM 5 points [-]

If it's incorporated it will have been planned beforehand.

Comment author: gwern 05 January 2012 04:18:32PM 2 points [-]

You and your silly hatred of spoilers. (The recent experimental evidence, BTW, suggests spoilers are not harmful but helpful for enjoyment.) But I guess that statement works.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 05 January 2012 04:46:35PM 5 points [-]

For what it's worth, there are stories where I've appreciated going in with no knowledge except for some reason to think I'd like it (the movie Hugo 3D is a recent example, for Mieville's Un Lun Dun I just had a reasonable guess about genre).

I think I lost some of the impact of A Deepness in the Sky because I knew what Focus was before I started reading.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 January 2012 06:23:44PM 0 points [-]

I think whether spoilers are harmful varies among works and among readers. (For example, ‘finding out how it ends’ was the only reason why I finished reading Digital Fortress by Dan Brown rather than throwing it in the garbage bin right after the first couple chapters; if I had already known the ending I would likely not have enjoyed it at all (except possibly for laughing at it).)

Comment author: Raemon 04 January 2012 09:30:39PM *  0 points [-]

If I had been thinking better I would have specified "did he know" rather than "did he plan" so that we could resolve the issue. (I think there is at least a 30% chance one (if not both) of us will have forgotten this wager by the time the reveal happens)

Comment author: gwern 03 April 2012 02:11:00PM 0 points [-]

I think there is at least a 30% chance one (if not both) of us will have forgotten this wager by the time the reveal happens

That's what PredictionBook is for. So far I have a good record for long-term use of it...