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Comment author: Will_Newsome 01 January 2012 08:39:52AM 0 points [-]

Reply to Objection 3. Free-will is the cause of its own movement, because by his free-will man moves himself to act. But it does not of necessity belong to liberty that what is free should be the first cause of itself, as neither for one thing to be cause of another need it be the first cause. God, therefore, is the first cause, Who moves causes both natural and voluntary. And just as by moving natural causes He does not prevent their acts being natural, so by moving voluntary causes He does not deprive their actions of being voluntary: but rather is He the cause of this very thing in them; for He operates in each thing according to its own nature.

Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Question 83, Article 1

Comment author: khafra 03 January 2012 05:00:37AM *  6 points [-]

Is that just a theist version of compatibilist free will? Or an assertion that somehow you could create something without being responsible for its future actions, either by creating the policy that decided them or making them dependent on a source of randomness?

Comment author: Jack 03 January 2012 06:17:40AM 5 points [-]

The former.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 03 January 2012 07:18:56AM *  6 points [-]

As Jack says, it's the "theist version" of compatibilist free will, but you can replace "God" with "the universe" and the point goes through, Aquinas uses God because he's trying to build up a coherent metaphysics. And quite successfully! He gave the "right answer" to the "free will problem" off-the-cuff as if it was no big deal. This raises my confidence that Aquinas is also insightful when he discusses things I don't yet understand, like faith.

Comment author: Jack 03 January 2012 08:38:44AM 1 point [-]

Aquinas gives all his answers off-the-cuff as if they were no big deal.

As far as early compatibilists go I prefer Chrysippus.