Will_Newsome comments on Rationality quotes January 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_Newsome 05 January 2012 02:40:57AM 6 points [-]

We made our oath to Vavilov
We'd not betray the solanum
The acres of asteraceae
To our own pangs of starvation

"When The War Came", by The Decemberists

(from memory, will fix any errors later)

Comment author: David_Gerard 05 January 2012 08:50:56AM 18 points [-]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Vavilov

"While developing his theory on the centres of origin of cultivated plants, Vavilov organized a series of botanical-agronomic expeditions, collected seeds from every corner of the globe, and created in Leningrad the world's largest collection of plant seeds. This seedbank was diligently preserved even throughout the 28-month Siege of Leningrad, despite starvation; one of Nikolai's assistants starved to death surrounded by edible seeds."

Comment author: Will_Newsome 05 January 2012 11:59:11AM 3 points [-]

Thank you kind sir.

Comment author: fortyeridania 05 January 2012 02:58:29AM 5 points [-]

Can you elucidate the connection to rationality?

Comment author: katydee 06 January 2012 06:00:17AM 15 points [-]

A few Google searches resolved this question for me, and proved very interesting besides. Vavilov was a Soviet botanist focused on the cultivation of efficient seeds to mitigate hunger. In World War Two, Vavilov's Leningrad seedbank came under siege by the Nazis, who apparently wanted to steal/destroy the seeds. Considering the supplies vital to Russia's long-term survival, several of the scientists swore oaths to protect the seedbank against German forces, starving foragers, and rats.

They succeeded in doing so. The scientist-guards were so loyal that many of them died of starvation despite being in a facility full of edible seeds, as well as potatoes, corn, rice, and wheat. The seedbank endured the siege and was replenished after the city was liberated.

Vavilov himself did not live to see the victory of his researchers, as he had been sent to a camp thanks to his disapproval of the scientific fraud of Lysenkoism and died (ironically, of malnutrition) before the war ended.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 January 2012 06:21:41AM 3 points [-]
Comment author: fortyeridania 06 January 2012 06:13:14AM 0 points [-]

That is awesome. Thanks.

Comment author: khafra 05 January 2012 06:02:20PM *  2 points [-]

At first glance, it looks like a clear case of Bayesians vs. Barbarians to me.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 January 2012 09:15:20AM *  0 points [-]

Can you elucidate the connection to rationality?

Can? Of course. "Will?" Less likely.