erosophe comments on What do fellow rationalists think about Mensa? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: erosophe 06 April 2009 11:12:15PM *  5 points [-]

In my experience, putting Mensa on your CV doesn't really signal what you think it signals. It's not a terribly high bar (relative to a lot of other signaling mechanisms), so to me, adding Mensa to the CV signals that (1) you're insecure enough in your other accomplishments that you think you need the Mensa membership or that it adds something useful to the signal you're sending, and (2) you're un-smart enough to think the credentials required for admittance are in fact impressive. Neither of these is a signal you want to send.

In other words, all the truly smart people are too smart for Mensa, so it's probably a waste of your time. You don't want to signal that you are smart enough for Mensa; you want to signal that you are too smart to care about it.

Comment author: loqi 07 April 2009 12:46:38AM 5 points [-]

you want to signal that you are too smart to care about it

That's a difficult signal to send. And, in my experience, attempts to signal that one is too smart to care about Mensa end up saying pretty much the same thing as the membership signals.

Comment author: Pablo_Stafforini 07 April 2009 10:34:07PM 3 points [-]

In other words, all the truly smart people are too smart for Mensa, so it's probably a waste of your time. You don't want to signal that you are smart enough for Mensa; you want to signal that you are too smart to care about it.

I am reminded of Kieran Healy's description of Mensa, "the organization for highly intelligent people who are nevertheless not quite intelligent enough not to belong to it."

It is second-order statements such as erosophe's and Healy's that signal real intelligence. ;-)

Comment author: taw 06 April 2009 11:43:59PM 3 points [-]

Well, these are two issues - CV padding, and Mensa as such.

As far as I can tell people reading CVs just scan for keywords and other stupid signals, and completely fail the Turing Test of understanding their content. They believe that things like "years of experience using technology X" are the awesomest signal, and as far as I can tell they're slightly negatively correlated with job performance in software development (the smart people switch technologies every couple of years as a rule), unlike IQ which is known to be highly positively correlated with job performance.

CV readers are just an obstacle you need to get past. So putting something like that might very well work as far as I can tell.

And I intended to give an actual percentile as extrapolated from stddev, which seems to be quite considerably higher than Mensa low threshold. This is slightly dishonest, as the test is not calibrated to this range, but naively speaking 152 on mean 100 stddev 16 means top 0.06%, which is the number I intended to stick on my CV, saying it's British Mensa-supervised test to make it sound more valid.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 07 April 2009 05:29:09AM 3 points [-]

If you send out a lot of CVs, you should experiment: mention Mensa on half of the CVs. Please report results.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 07 April 2009 06:58:35AM *  1 point [-]

Mensa themselves say they aim to take the top 2% of the population. This strikes me as too many to be useful. There are other high-IQ societies which are far more selective (Wikipedia's Mensa page has a list), but none of them are household names.

Comment author: Lawliet 07 April 2009 08:05:37AM 4 points [-]

Mensa themselves say they aim to take the top 2% of the population. This strikes me as too many to be useful.

Useful for what?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 07 April 2009 10:16:22AM 2 points [-]

Useful as evidence of smarts; useful as a community of smart people. I was a member many years ago, just to see what it was like. Finding insufficient reason to stay, I left.

A community has to have some sort of focus, a reason for its members to be there, or it doesn't work as one. Being a bit brighter than the mass, and "enjoying each other's company and participating in a wide range of social and cultural activities" (from their web site) strikes me as rather diffuse. The company was, like Eliezer described, like a small SF convention -- but without the SF to provide the focus. I've been going to cons for a long time, but I only went to a few Mensa meetings.

When I was a member, I also went to a couple of AGMs, where intelligence was conspicuously not in evidence.