Manfred comments on "Personal Identity and Uploading", by Mark Walker - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Manfred 08 January 2012 06:26:27PM 2 points [-]

Yeah, calling people insane is not a good start. Using language that most of your audience won't understand is also a problem. The bigger problem, though, is that you don't seem to be saying anything useful to me even when I put some effort into understanding the jargon - you just make claims without providing explanations.

Comment author: HoverHell 09 January 2012 04:55:40AM *  0 points [-]

Indeed, prolonged frustration leads to such failures.

But I'd at least expect the second paragraph to be somewhat understandable — and I don't try to explain it in more detail because, for now, I can only explain it in jargon (which, actually, I did — in third paragraph). Question is — what …can I do with that? (I'll still try to make a jargon-less explanation; but in case someone is able to understand what I'm referring to and familiar with LW concepts at the same time… that would be very helpful).

(and yes, type identity seems to me at least just as weird as a right-heel identity)

Comment author: Manfred 09 January 2012 06:09:37AM *  1 point [-]

By explanation I don't mean I want you to explain what your claim means (" I'm referring to..."). I mean I want you to explain why you believe your claim. Jargon is of secondary importance - it just takes a few google searches to understand. Also, I don't really care what seems weird to you. I do find it interesting why something seems weird to you, as long as you make some sort of sense :D

Comment author: HoverHell 09 January 2012 06:54:48AM 0 points [-]

Uh… Is is possible to explain “why” without explaining “what”?

But anyway, the problem of explaining is similar to trying to write an OS using only regexes (or regular languages in general): there's no solution as long as that prerequisite about order of the allowed language is there. Or practically close to such situation, at least.